Ali: …….Hey Tim….you don’t have a problem with the fact that your brother’s gay?

Tim: People sometimes take the piss, but mainly because I’m kind of …. Soft.

Ali: How do you mean, soft?

Tim: You know, blond, blue eyes – I mean, just look at me! Everyone thinks I’m gay!

Ali: ….(laughing) ….And your brother doesn’t help matters, does he?

………….for a while they stare into the flames …………

Tim: It’s not easy ……for instance, we’ve got two family friends, two guys, who’ve been living together 20 years ….. with them it’s cool, nobody cares that they’re gay …… people think it’s completely normal.…………And then you hear how people think that all gays speak in a camp way and dress like girls …… or that being gay is an illness …… I mean, that’s fucking seriously pathetic!